Attendees

[ ]  John Mertic (Linux Foundation)

[ ]  Cary Phillips (ILM, OpenEXR, Sci-tech council)

[x]  Darin Grant (Animal Logic, ASWF Treasurer)

[x]  David Morin (Epic / ASWF Exec Director)

[x]  Eric Enderton (NVIDIA, DigiPro)

[x]  Joshua Minor (OTIO / Pixar)

[ ]  Nick Porcino (OTIO, OpenEXR / Pixar)

[ ]  Sean McDuffee (Intel)

[x]  Will Telford (ADSK)

[x]  Eric Bourque (ADSK)

[x]  Orde Stevanoski (Imageworks)

[x]  Lee Kerley (Imageworks)

[x]  Daniel Heckenberg (Animal Logic)

[x]  Alex Wilkie (Animal Logic)

[ ]  Bruno Sargeant (Unity Technologies Inc - M&E PM)

[x]  JT Nelson (Pasadena Open Source consortium / SoCal Blender group)

[ ]  Roman Zulak (Imageworks)

[ ]  Michael B Johnson (Apple, WG chair)

[x]  Rob Bredow (ILM, ASWF Chair)

[x] Haley Kannall (AWS)

[x] Sebastian Herholz (Intel)

[x] Deke Kincaid (Digital Domain)

Agenda

• Welcome/Intros
• WG chair not present?
• There was a schedule conflict, but the meeting didn’t get moved.
• Calendar issues form some folks.
• Future meetings should be advertised on the mailing list and/or Slack?
• Other ASWF WG meeting earlier today had similar problems.
• Scope of Working Group
• Aiming to create a proposal to ASWF
• Question: Is this WG aiming for just current ASWF project-related assets, or something larger than this? For example, challenging scenes to render.
• Homework followup:
• Does your company have assets that would be useful to share?
• Disney Animation findings (via Rob Bredow & Nick Cannon)
• Relaying message from Nick Cannon
• Getting permission for the Moana Island project was actually easier than expected. Disney’s openness for this could set a positive precedent.
• Took a long time to get approval, but actual legal work was quick.
• Biggest cost was in labor involved in transforming the data into an open format. OBJ - For example, USD version of Moana Island is still in progress.
• Hosting cost for large data sets was non-trivial, but not super expensive (just needs to be budgeted)
• Licensing questions: will the content be misused in a way the creators/owners are uncomfortable with?
• Cannot use Disney trademarks, cannot misrepresent derivatives as coming from Disney
• Short paper about the challenges:  https://www.disneyanimation.com/publications/?drawer=/publications/the-challenges-of-releasing-the-moana-island-scene/
• OpenTimelineIO findings so far (JT + Josh)
• JT Nelson has collected open film content here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_kefZpDT98-TSWlEN9X3IdLJGNbq0F4w-kKilyw2jkg/edit
• We have found the source assets, and final footage for several open films, but we have not yet found the actual editorial timeline for any of these yet.
• Licenses?
• Hard to get “real production” assets.
• Moana Island license allows for “research and software development” - we would want more permissive allowances for presentations, demos, etc.
• Do we know stories/use cases where terms were too restrictive?
• Some content out there is published without a clearly identified license. For example, these video clips and source assets say “Creative Commons” but without specifying which CC license: https://www.beeple-crap.com/vjloops
• Desired uses:
• Research
• Software Development
• Performance Testing
• Correctness Testing
• Presentations & Demonstrations

• Example open assets:
• Moana Island scene: https://www.disneyanimation.com/data-sets/?drawer=/resources/moana-island-scene/
• Hyperspace Madness: https://area.autodesk.com/hyperspacemadness/
• USD sample assets: http://graphics.pixar.com/usd/downloads.html
• Sony Zombie Rig: https://secure.sonypictures.com/animation/hotelt/zombierig/videosubmissions/
• Netflix open media: https://netflixtechblog.com/engineers-making-movies-aka-open-source-test-content-f21363ea3781
• Blender Foundation projects (Blender scene files + rendered clips):
• http://www.bigbuckbunny.org
• https://durian.blender.org/
• More here:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_kefZpDT98-TSWlEN9X3IdLJGNbq0F4w-kKilyw2jkg/edit
• Possible assets that could be contributed
• From animation studios, VFX, etc.?
• From Universities?
• UCLA Film and Television Archive
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Film_and_Television_Archive
• https://www.cinema.ucla.edu/
• AWS has some assets that might be a good choice (Haley Kannall)
• Imageworks (Emoji city “Textopolis”, and a realistic dog)
• Light transport test scenes from Intel (Sebastian Herholz)
• Cloud (weather kind of cloud) asset library for OpenVBD from Intel? (Sean McDuffee)
• Hosting costs
• Some potential contributors are concerned about cost of hosting
• ASWF could possibly host these - this WG will attempt to estimate size and costs for proposal to ASWF TAC & Governing Board
• Moana data set is 265 GB (46 GB compressed). Hosting cost was 70 TB in the first week of downloads (tapered off from there).
• Note: we should pick assets that appeal to the desired audience and not accidentally induce high hosting costs (e.g. a high profile, famous character or location might be a poor choice?)

Action Items:

• Locate assets at your company/project that might be worth contributing.
• Ask your employer about contributing - what are their objections, how could ASWF lower the barriers to entry?
• Estimate size of assets.